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Korbtronics's avatar

You see I do don’t like others willingly putting my kid in danger because of choice. Therein lies the dilemma.

What gives if I prove through historical data anything, I am not here to convince someone who wants to believe their own narrative. Again, you fear such a small percentage of adverse effects is comical. You then spread fear through information that doesn’t include the whole, just the subset of those impacted. That’s like fearing seatbelts because they kill on average about half of the people involved in fatal accidents. Why wear seatbelts if statistically they don’t matter with the subset of accidents above?

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Renee Green's avatar

I didn't tell anyone what to do

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Renee Green's avatar

If you have used a product to protect your child then if it doesn't work it was the product, not others putting your child at risk.

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Korbtronics's avatar

You missed the point of choice. You are willingly putting my kid at risk. I don’t get a choice in the matter, you just do. Why do I have to limit my own civil liberties for the sake of yours?

Again, choice is a tough subject to navigate when it comes to anything . But I look at macro data and question things like why the average lifespan of humans as a whole has increased by 20 years in the last 100 years?

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Renee Green's avatar

How is your kid at risk? Others would say that their children are at risk around your kid that is shedding this crap all over the place. But they put up with it. Authoritarianism works both ways. By the way, people warned about this at the beginning of COVID, that people would turn away from all vaccines, and nobody listened. I was one of those people. Can't you see the middle road is everyone making their own choices?

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Renee Green's avatar

Many reasons why lifespan increased. It is not vaccines, in my opinion. This is imaginary too. I choose the imaginary man, you can choose the imaginary juice in a needle.

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Korbtronics's avatar

Is this imaginary man the creator of alll things including, but not limited to, vaccinations?

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Renee Green's avatar

I do not worship man made products. It's in the Bible. It is called idolatry. the worship of someone or something other than God as though it were God. The first of the biblical Ten Commandments prohibits idolatry: “You shall have no other gods before me.”

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Korbtronics's avatar

Last comment in this convo since the original subject, choice, has all but been lost because we can’t seem to find common ground that choice is difficult when it comes to any policy decisions.

So, if your god is creator of all things, and is all knowing and loving, does this mean he created covid, helped spread media disinformation and also created a vaccination? Therein lies my issue with your god. But, it’s your choice to worship how you choose and I can appreciate one’s faith.

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Renee Green's avatar

God sends tests. So this was a test. And my determination is that it was more than anything a transfer of wealth, not a pandemic. There is no COVID, in the way that you think. It's a cold. EUA devices are passed without thorough testing because it's an emergency. Investors did well!

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Korbtronics's avatar

Let’s not go down the rabbit hole of your gods tests, I’ll turn ugly and o don’t want that. But that’s the classic response.

The question is what’s the test? Several god fearing folks like yourself lost their lives to the disease. So believe and still get killed by something the god I love created? Interesting

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Renee Green's avatar

I don't think you are open at all. I have sent a link to my article about one of the people who allegedly died of COVID. I'm sorry that I don't think we will ever agree on anything. I can live with that.

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Renee Green's avatar

You have a choice to take a product or not. And others do too. If that's not enough for you, you could organize and create your own vaccine only place to live. Seriously get over yourself. It is my body my choice.

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Renee Green's avatar

People have lied with statistics for a long time

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Korbtronics's avatar

People also believe there is an imaginary man in the sky who actually does tangible things on our planet. They then tell others this imaginary person should be worshipped to prevent disease. Is this not the same thing? Who is right?

Again, choice is the issue. I don’t want to be impacted by your choice, you don’t want to be impacted by mine.

Also no vaccination has ever been forced onto the public. Everyone had the choice to say no.

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Renee Green's avatar

At one point I was not going to be allowed in the grocery store. That was when the freedom convoy went to Ottawa. People don't want your kid shedding on them. But you don't care.

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Korbtronics's avatar

That was a policy choice made by a business. If you’d didn’t like it, you could choose to take your business elsewhere. This goes back to my logic comment. “I’m not telling you what to do, but heaven forbid you inconvenience me so I can’t get goods that you transport into my city for me to consume. I deserve food therefore I should have access to the goods you provide me”

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Renee Green's avatar

No it was the government who was pushing it. The media pushing the government. At that time allegedly most of the people were vaccinated how come it wasn't over? because the f****** thing doesn't f****** work, meanwhile I am supposed to take this thing that doesn't work. How is your belief not the same as something about some man in the sky? It is completely imaginary.

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Korbtronics's avatar

At least be consistent with your logic

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Renee Green's avatar

Consideration logic? What did I say that was not consistent?

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